Curse

dont feel no pain · Dec 04, 2007, 11:57 PM // 23:57

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Originally Posted by w00t!

QFT. These spells are all vital to team builds in many Hard Mode areas, not just for solo farming.

Besides, Monks aren't all the popular for solo farming most areas anymore. Ele / Sin nerf anyone?

I would happly press the nerf button if i had one

but yeah im mainly focusing on the 55 monk and it over the years has been the most major and out of place farming build around.

dont feel no pain · Dec 04, 2007, 11:58 PM // 23:58

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

The minimum it could reduce damage to would be 15.

yeah =] like i said, my ideas are just quick thoughts, though the concept of the nerf would be the same, all 55/600 monk based skills for thier survival would be completely changed.

Ultra Mega · Dec 05, 2007, 01:06 AM // 01:06

You haven't really said why you want to see these builds nerfed. Should all solo farming builds be nerfed or just these ones?

KANE OG · Dec 05, 2007, 01:09 AM // 01:09

He said, "refreshed", I believe. What an assinine idea. Leave the freakin thing alone.

KANE

Zeek Aran · Dec 05, 2007, 01:11 AM // 01:11

No, just NO. It's a farming build. Unless you're inexperienced/retarded, it won't hurt anyone in PvP except the poor team with the 55er. There's no reason they should be nerfed. Loot scaling and other things has already made farming a LOT less effective. These builds aren't giving anyone an advantage over anyone else.

No matter what you do, you can't stop botting. There will always be bots, whether 55/600 monks exist or not. I don't see any point to this thread.

I heavily agree with Kane's above post. There is no reason to nerf farming as it currently is, 55/600 monks, E/A / A/E, wammos, spirit spammers, W/Rt UW/FoW builds, all of these are fine as they are.

creelie · Dec 05, 2007, 01:14 AM // 01:14

/NOTSIGNED

Loot scaling and botocausts are better ways to deal with the effect of farming on the economy than trying to make skills unusable.

KANE OG · Dec 05, 2007, 01:23 AM // 01:23

anet has already proven their ability to make PvE only skills. I'm sure they could convert the one's we have to that format if they chose to.

Go ahead and "refresh" those monk skills in PvP only, and I won't give a damn.

KANE

Terraban · Dec 05, 2007, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by ensoriki

izzy said Protective bond was nerfed because there was a bug that it caused.

Does that scream lazy or what?

Yeah...the bug of Balth Spirit and Essence Bond making it a free skill....that is the "bug"

You can't see me · Dec 05, 2007, 01:34 AM // 01:34

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Originally Posted by KANE OG

He said, "refreshed", I believe. What an assinine idea. Leave the freakin thing alone.

KANE

Though I would have put it words that have a tad more value, it sums up the first part of what I was about to say.

The second part was that the 55/600 monk is in no way over powered comparative to other builds. The Obsidian Flesh Elementalist, the 130 Dervish, the Invicable Para-Way, and so on.

Low hitpoints and synergizing this with skills like Protective Spirit isn't over powered, it's just used widely because it's one of the easiest ways to solo farm many areas. One Shatter Enchantment and you're 1 hit KO'd. There are only so many mobs that do not carry enchantment removal, and the drops aren't great when it comes down to solo farming. As to 600/55 dungeon runs, I don't see the difference between this and using any other builds that work.

Just because it works, and it's versital, is no reason to remove it from the system. I don't think the idea is any sort of improvement on the game, or your skill changes would be for the better. Rather, I would say I disagree to the tenth power.

But seriously, if you removed them, what good would it do? A few areas would not be farmed as much, and UrsanWay would take over what high end areas the 55/600 use to be good at. Prices of items would go down lower because a lot more people can use an Ursan bar than work a 55, which means even more influx of items, and since you need new armor and runes and weapons for 55ing, that would just be a loss of a money sink.

Summary:

Bad Idea.
In the long run, this would do no good for GW.
Skill changes listed would be majorly IMBA.
Did I mention bad idea?

pumpkin pie · Dec 05, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by dont feel no pain

I dont mind 55 monks and 600 monks, i just wonder like would you consider them pve overpowered (yes lol the irony) and would gw be just better without them?

I think A-Net already taken care of the solo farming situation, gives you sad drops now a days. so the answers is no.

mafia cyborg · Dec 05, 2007, 01:58 AM // 01:58

/signed
mix up the cards

Agatsu · Dec 05, 2007, 02:28 AM // 02:28

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Originally Posted by mafia cyborg

/signed
mix up the cards

LOL....so, just because you and the op (and whoever else) are bored with the current builds you want them nerfed to force people to come up with new and exciting builds?

Well, if you are all such geniuses that the current system bores you lets see you come up with a few new genius builds and show them to us poor slobs who make their gold by using the current builds.

C'mon,... we're waiting,.....

Terraban · Dec 05, 2007, 02:31 AM // 02:31

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Originally Posted by Agatsu

LOL....so, just because you and the op (and whoever else) are bored with the current builds you want them nerfed to force people to come up with new and exciting builds?

Well, if you are all such geniuses that the current system bores you lets see you come up with a few new genius builds and show them to us poor slobs who make their gold by using the current builds.

C'mon,... we're waiting,.....

I am pretty sure that was not the point in nerfing them.

I don't think he wanted them nerfed so he could make a better one.

Count to Potato · Dec 05, 2007, 02:33 AM // 02:33

/notsigned How would i be able to prot against spikes in PvP? prot spirit and spirti bond every 15 secs? that wont cut it, infuse will be so energy heavy

HawkofStorms · Dec 05, 2007, 02:46 AM // 02:46

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Originally Posted by dont feel no pain

I used to play the old prot bond 55 monk, but i never knew about that lol

Greedy. Sounds like a "I got my money the hard way, don't give others a chance to catch up" arguement to me.

Besides, 55ers are so last year. Terratanks, VmK, Shadowform builds, trappers, troll farmers, famine farmers, kenetic armor farmers, etc. Nerfing them now would acomplish nothing.

VanDamselx · Dec 05, 2007, 04:40 AM // 04:40

Wow. I really think the accusations about the OP saying that they don't want people to make as much money as they did is ridiculous. What I get from it is that the OP suggests that maybe some changes are made to inspire new builds. The problem with the 55 is the skills that are used are such a huge staple to almost any PvE and PvP Monk build (namely, spirit bond and prot spirit), not just the 55 build. I would assume that it's why it wasn't never touched in the first place.

I'm always up for new ideas. I would like it though, if instead of nerfing skills, we can buff some skills.

Scary Raebbit · Dec 05, 2007, 04:57 AM // 04:57

Or you can just buff some skills in a better way than adding X to Y and reducing W recharge.

Mesmer in Need · Dec 05, 2007, 05:02 AM // 05:02

Or you can quit giving Anet ideas about nerfing a farming build which has been in the game over a year. Many many threads have been made about how to "kill" the 55. If Anet was to nerf the 55, they would have done it by now. Quit beating the dead horse.

A11Eur0 · Dec 05, 2007, 05:21 AM // 05:21

give me prot bond just like that. Please. My reason.

And if you dont like 55 monks, don't play them, don't play with them, and learn how to remove their enchantments in PvP if you're just whining about not being able to kill them.

If this is about Mhenlo kicking your ass in bison's tourney..rofl.

Scary Raebbit · Dec 05, 2007, 05:40 AM // 05:40

Keep the spells as is.
If 55/600 were meant to be nerfed, they would have done it a long time ago. That, and basically you are removing two of the biggest prots in the game with that shit-tastic nerf.